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Folks; ever wonder why the USA hasn’t won a war since WW II? The answer, it is plain as the nose on your face.
We fight by rules and our enemy doesn’t. If our good President Eisenhower didn’t drop that Big One on Hiroshima we all may be eating with chop sticks today. So much for rules. Gotta go outside the box in dire situations. All wars are dire situations.
The only rule in winning a war or a fight; do it at all cost. No rules apply.
If anyone has ever been in an altercation and really took a good beating, if they were smart, I bet the next time they would pulled out all the stops and would do anything they could to win; unless they are masochists.
Fighting by a set of rules is like throwing someone in the lake with their hands and feet bound and tell them to swim to shore. You know they are a doomed.
It is sad to say but there are multiple reasons why the USA fights wars with Kid Gloves on.
#1 the PC-ers that are leading the charge don’t know the front of a head of a horse from the horse’s ass. They have no business on the horse and no business calling the shots.
# 2; these same people have never been exposed to a war and don’t know what the dangers of it are. They think they are playing a video game in the safe confines of their offices in DC. As long as it does not impact them, they could care less. It is all political.
# 3 probably the most significant reason that no one wants to talk about. The high-rollers and the money people that run this country ABSOLUTELY want to drag wars out as long as possible. The longer the wars linger the more soldi they make. Sad but very true. Don’t forget, there are a select group of people that make some very serious money by keeping the wars fired up.
These are just a few of the companies that are making a fortune when the USA is at war. .
10. United Technologies (UTX) — aircraft, electronics, engines
Arm sales: $11.6 billion, total sales: $58.2 billion
Gross profit: $5.3 billion, total workforce: 199,900
United Technologies makes a wide range of arms — notably military helicopters, including the Black Hawk helicopter for the U.S. Army and the Seahawk helicopter for the U.S. Navy. The company was the biggest employer in the top 10 though arms sales accounted for just 20% of revenue. UTX also produces elevators, escalators, air-conditioners and refrigerators. International sales comprised 60% of the company’s revenue in 2012.
9. L-3 Communications (LLL) — electronics
Arm sales: $12.5 billion, total sales: $15.2 billion
Gross profit: $956 million, total workforce: 61,000
Some 83% of L-3 Communications sales in 2011 came from arms sales, but this was down from what it sold the prior year. The company has four business segments: electronic systems; aircraft modernization and maintenance; national security solutions; and command, control, communications, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance. Among many products manufactured, the company has become a major provider of unmanned aircraft systems.
8. Finmeccanica — aircraft, artillery, engines, electronics, vehicles and missiles
Arms sales, $14.6 billion, total sales: $24.1 billion
Gross profit: $ -3.2 billion, total workforce: 70,470
Italian company Finmeccanica makes a wide range of arms, including helicopters and security electronics. Nearly 60% of the company’s sales in 2011 were in arms. Finmeccanica lost $3.2 billion in 2011. The Italian company is currently fending off allegation that it paid bribes to win an approximately $750 million contract to provide 12 military helicopters to the Indian government in 2010. The then-head of the company,Giuseppe Orsi, was arrested in February but has denied wrongdoing. Other executives, including the head of the company’s helicopter unit, have been replaced, and the company has delayed the release of recent financial results.
7. EADS — aircraft, electronics, missiles and space
Arm sales: $16.4 billion, total sales: $68.3 billion
Gross profit: $1.4 billion, total workforce: 133,120
The European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company (EADS), based in theNetherlands, had sales in 2011 roughly in line with the prior year. Arms sales comprised just 24% of the company’s revenue. EADS and BAE Systemsunsuccessfully attempted to merge for $45 billion in 2012, which would have created the world’s largest aerospace company. The deal collapsed in October after German Chancellor Angela Merkel expressed concerns about the merger.
6. Northrop Grumman (NOC) — aircraft, electronics, missiles, ships, space
Arm sales: $21.4 billion, total sales: $26.4 billion
Gross profit: $2.1 billion, total workforce: 72,500
Northrop Grumman’s 2011 arms sales comprised about 81% of total sales even after a sharp decline in arms sales year over year. The company attributed the decline to reduced government spending on defense projects. Nevertheless, the company was more profitable than in the prior year.
5. Raytheon (RTN) — electronics, missiles
Arm sales: $22.5 billion, total sales: $24.9 billion
Gross profit: $1.9 billion, total workforce: 71,000
Raytheon, based in Waltham, Mass., is one of the largest defense contractors in the U.S. The company makes the Tomahawk Cruise Missile, among others. Arms sales comprised about 90% of the company’s sales in 2011 though they as a total they were lower than in the prior year. The slide hasn’t let up. Total sales in 2012 fell 1.5%, and Raytheon is expecting sales to fall 3% in 2013, a projection which doesn’t take into account the effects of mandated budget cuts. The company can rely on overseas customers to somewhat offset weak sales at home. As of January, approximately 40% of the company’s backlog was booked overseas. The company expects approximately a 5% increase in international sales in 2013.
4. General Dynamics (GD) — artillery, electronics, vehicles, small arms, ships
Arm sales: $23.8 billion, total sales: $32.7 billion
Gross profit: $2.5 billion, total workforce: 95,100
With 18,000 transactions in 2011, General Dynamics was the third-largest contractor to the U.S. government. Of those contracts, approximately $12.9 billion worth went to the Navy, while an additional $4.6 billion went to the Army. The company’s arms sales in 2011 comprised 73% of total sales. Arms sales in 2011 were slightly below 2010 levels. The company makes a host of products, including electric boats, tracked and wheeled military vehicles, and battle tanks. The company announced layoffs in early March, blaming mandated federal budget cuts.
3. BAE Systems — aircraft, artillery, electronics, vehicles, missiles, ships
Arm sales: $29.2 billion, total sales: $30.7 billion
Gross profit: $2.3 billion, total workforce: 93,500
BAE Systems was the largest non-U.S. company based on arms sales. Arms sales represented 95% of the company’s total sales in 2011 even though they were lower as a total of overall sales compared to the prior year. The products BAE sells include the L-ROD Bar Armor System that shields defense vehicles and the Hawk Advanced Jet Trainer that provides sophisticated simulation training for military pilots. In 2013, the company said its growth would likely come from outside the U.S. and Great Britain — its home market. BAE noted that its outlook for those two countries was “constrained,” likely due to the diminished presence in international conflicts and government budget cuts.
2. Boeing (BA) — aircraft, electronics, missiles, space
Arm sales: $31.8 billion, total sales: $68.7 billion
Gross profit: $4 billion, total workforce: 171,700
Boeing was the second-largest U.S. government contractor in 2011, with about $21.5 billion worth of goods contracted. The Chicago-based company makes a wide range of arms, including strategic missile systems, laser and electro-optical systems and global positioning systems. Despite all these technologies, just 46% of the company’s total sales of $68.7 billion in 2011 came from arms. Boeing is the largest commercial airplane manufacturer in the world, making planes such as the 747, 757 and recently, the 787 Dreamliner. The company is also known for its space technology — Boeing had $1 billion worth of contracts with NASA in 2011.
1. Lockheed Martin (LMT) — aircraft, electronics, missiles, space
Arm sales:$36.3 billion, total sales: $46.5 billion
Gross profit: $2.7 billion, total workforce, 123,000
Lockheed Martin notched $36.3 billion in sales in 2011, slightly higher than the $35.7 billion the company sold in 2010. The arms sales comprised 78% of the company’s total 2011 sales. Lockheed makes a wide range of products, including aircraft, missiles, unmanned systems and radar systems. The company and its employees have been concerned about the effects of the “fiscal cliff” and sequestration, the latter of which includes significant cuts to the U.S. Department of Defense. In the fall of 2012, the company planned on issuing layoff notices to all employees before backing down at the White House’s request.
They are too numerous to list. Gun dealers – construction companies – food industry that provides food to the troops – equipment manufacturers – protective gear dealers and so on.
Did anyone ever ask themselves why we blow them up (destroy countries) then rebuild them up at our expense? Some very well connected fats cats owning the construction companies are making a fortune.
It doesn’t make any sense but money and power rule the world.
Example: I am going to kick some guys ass and put him in the hospital. Then I am going back a burn down his house. I go to the hospital, pay his entire bill, plus give him pocket money for 10 years so he is not broke. Not the end of the story. Then hire a contractor to rebuild his house at my expense because I am a nice guy.
There is some very strong evidence that Lady Bird Johnson (just a front for her old man), the wife of President Johnson owned a bridge building company. During the Vietnam war her husband would have the bridges blow up on Monday and by the next week her company was in there rebuilding the bridge. I wonder just how many times the same bridge was blown up and reconstructed.
Magnify this by 1,000’s. More companies and individuals have had their dirty hands in the war pot and have profited ever since wars began. Although, I am sure that the corruption levels have increased in the last 50 – 60 years exponentially.
Dick Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton and resigned his position to serve as GHW Bush’s VP. He was GIVEN a 35 million dollar walking away present when he left the company. How much influence did Halliburton have with him as second in command?
Cheney’s Halliburton Made $39.5 Billion on Iraq War. Young reports: “Ten contractors received 52 percent of the funds, according to an analysis by the Financial Times that was published Tuesday.Mar 20, 2013
That survey was taken in 2013 – 3 years ago. They are still raking it in today and if they have their way will continue to do so.
Can we fault any company or individual for accepting (free) work from the government like a gift. Absolutely not. If they wanted to throw some my way, I would be foolish not to accept it. The laws and regulations have to change to circumvent these situations.
Folks, these were non-competitive bids. No bidding, it is a gift. T&M – time and material. The longer the work take the more money they make. It is still going on today. Must be nice to have friends in high places.
This is another in the long line of example of how campaign contributions are paid back. No such thing as a free lunch.
The amount of people that are profiting by wars is immense. They are playing the American people like a Stradivarius violin and the good citizens don’t know it.
The first thing we are doing wrong is trusting the government and the people running it. If they had the welfare of the citizens of this country at heart, we would not see all of the shenanigans and improprieties that exist on a daily basis.
There are several categorizes of war causalities. Naturally the people that are involved physically that are killed – wounded or maimed for life – their families – the financial cost of the wars, then we have the citizens of this country (the working ones that pay taxes) are also victims for being lied to and ransacked out of all of our hard earned tax money.
To being with, none of these wars since WW II were necessary. We stuck our noses where it didn’t belong. We invade countries that other countries like Russian and France fought for decades and went away with their tail between their legs. We did no better.
There have been trillions of dollars spent and what did we come away with? Financial ruin – thousands of dead, disabled and injured – shame – neglected our own infrastructures that are completely falling apart and made a lot of billionaires a hell of a lot richer.
So you ask; why no water boarding? If we water boarded our enemies, we may get vital information from our enemy that could possibly speed up the war to a quicker ending. The money people do not want a quicker ending. The longer it continues, the more money they make.
The USA could have ended all of the wars that we fought since Vietnam in no longer than a month for each war. Drop a few bombs strategically and it’s all over. The PC-ers that want to believe, the people that pull the string are in their corner but they are too simple minded to understand, we are all are being used as pawn in their chess game.
Water boarding or other interrogation techniques could assist us in getting vital information that could possibly save 1,000’s of lives? If you disagree, quit bitching that the wars are dragging out too long.
PC-ers are the money boys best friends and don’t know it. The big shots are laughing all the way to the bank.
Commonsense will tell anyone that wants to listen. The sooner /quicker a war is over, the less causalities there would be on both sides.
Hypothetical: Instead of fighting a war with rules that last 10 years and results in 50,000 casualties – or a war fought the right way, to win, that only last 6 months, it would result in a lot less casualties and a lot less expense.
Something that seems to elude some people that are living under a rock. The enemy knows our game plan and they use it against us. Meanwhile, we have no idea what they are doing because they are not predictable. No rules.
I would like to see all of the bleeding hearts in a real war zone and ask them if they would rather not play by a set of rules and get it over quickly or drag it out with rules and have it linger on. I know what their answer would be.
Nothing is ever going to change. Money and greed has been ruling the world ever since the cave man was chiseling out $$$ symbols in stone and it will continue to rule until the end of time or until we self-destruct.
Board or no board? Should we worry about a little temporary discomfort or killing one of the enemy or possibly saving 1,000’s of lives? You know my answer.
Take it from one of the best human fighting machines (General Patton) the USA has ever produced. Men like him that are far and few between are the reason we are living in freedom today.
We need about a dozen men like General Patton and a good commander in chief to get our country straightened out.